Singapore Mitsubishi Evolution Club

Dear all,
promised my tuner i will post this up so here it goes,
backside feeling itchy so got the product installed
manufacturer located at http://www.coolingmist.com


with the installation, a dynotune is a requirement and that's when proper tuning has to be done. i'm on ecutek so it can be installed.
basically the injection adds 10 RON to your fuel when boost starts so become like race fuel lah..imagine if using race fuel instead of pump fuel hee hee (Group Buy anyone?)
car runs alot smoother than before and the torque pulls you back to your seat!

Don't mind the date it's a wrong date.
Anyway, just sharing la no flaming ok

Cheers everyone!

it's truly amazing that the evoX can attain such figures with performance bolt ons & on a stock block & turbo set up.. the torque figure is simply supercar trouncing.. i need to get myself a 4B11 asap.

btw, how much for the set & can it fit a evo 8/9? Thanks.

Nice Nice very Nice.
Bro You are still 1 step ahead of me..............................

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fantastic man. care to share what mods you've got other than the meth-injection? wanna know if I can achieve as well

bro . fast ride . win alr lo . SK DRAG STRIP ! RUN ! nbz ! ON foot ! :X

Am assuming you're on a manual X...wow, care to disclose on the enhancements rendered and parameter-settings of the run? No flaming intended here, but I certainly felt an apple dropped on my head...physics-defying muscle leverage (torque) u have............................happy for you bro, honest

Bro,

U & Marky upgrading very fast leh. Always tempting us with your toys, buah tahan
Impressive results!

Hi boys !

Frankly i am also amazed by the gains that this car is showing..i'm a new evo owner so can't really compare to previous generations.

All i know is it's alot of fun for me..

I'm still waiting for my tuner to pop in and answer the questions so bear with it yahhh

Cheeerrss!!

Correct me if i am wrong but Ecutek only allows for one ECU programming right...
So if the meth injection is like adding 10 RON and u have tuned to this setting, it means u always have to have the meth injection activated? (i.e the tank must never be empty?)...
If not it would be like running a low octane fuel right.... Maybe i am missing something...

Very nice results though...Now i just need them to start selling SST upgraded clutch packs

Allow me..

The kit installed is a CoolingMist Varicool Stage2 Trunk Mount.
The Varicool controller controls when the injection starts...
For eg, i can start the spray at 20% duty at 1bar and configure to spray max (up to the nozzle size) at 2bar.
This is how it works.

So if worse case shows up - ie no more water - just drive below 1 bar and there will be no injection. Alternatively, turn the water pump off and continue to drive slowly till at least water is available.
Well, water is available everywhere.. the second fall back plan i had for valium1094 is... just add water and switch to low boost ~1.5bar.

All these fall back conditions were catered for during tuning.

Hope this info helps.

Andrew
BMS

Thanks BMS. Excellent explaination. Went down to AMK last month to try and discuss Ecutek on an SST but must have missed u. Will talk to u soon!

Andrew..... I want mine done in January.... Book me slot....and where my short shift....

Hi Andrew,

Could you explain what happened to the low-end on the dyno graph? Below 3,800 rpm seems to have really suffered. Please educate me... Thanks.

Quite interesting

Can the car owner or tuner please confirm that the gains observed are based purely on just the methanol injection alone and not other concurrent mods that were added together with methanol injection?

The can is tune on 50% methanol and 50% water right?

Would the tuner be able to provide other before and after methanol injection dynos?

Hi bro,
my previous graph is @ viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12275&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
before the meth injection mod, i was running on bolt ons mods, eg. exhaust, intake, full intercooler + piping + ecutek. all these on stock engine stock turbo and stock clutch

Cheers

boost controller and setting?

Hi Mark,
Noted your intend for water... Short shifter delivering tomorrow or next Monday. Keep you posted.

Hi gumby,
The car runs fine below 3.8k rpm. What you see on the dyno graph is because of the "run in load" i dialed in for the run to minimise the effect of the boost shooting up too fast. The low end of the car was properly checked on dyno and also on the road. I will bring my cars for fine tuning on road after each dyno sessions.

Hi drsabaru,
What is posted here is the direct compare between with and without water-meth inj. The only gadget fitted with the kit was an EBC, allowing me to have a low boost setting for fail safes situation. ( Well, there are other fail safes available and fitted. We can discuss this further )
Yes, its on 50-50 mix.
The lower lines in the dyno attachment IS the tuned state after EcuTek + supporting mods done before.
The higher lines showed after water-meth injection+EBC added. ( without water, boost profile was 1.7-1.5bar. With water, boost profile is 1.8-1.6bar. Only 0.1bar increase )

On the first post of the tuned car ( viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12275&st=0&sk=t&sd=a ), its 418crank hp @ 6728rpm.
On this water injected tuned graph, it states 408crank hp @ 6269rpm.

=> its actually the same graph used as baseline for comparison but the value (crank hp) is picked at different rpm.

Why i pick a lower rpm in this graph?
=> is to show the gain rpm to rpm. 408crank hp (without water) vs 468crank hp (with water) ...all @ 6200rpm.

Typically, after adding water-meth i can give 10% or more gains to the said car.
As i always share this with my customers, if you like the current "profile" of your car (boost profile; full boost rpm etc )but want more... definitely with water injection it will give a 10% gain ACROSS the rpm range.) vs upgrading to a bigger turbo, you tend to lose your low-mid for the top end.

Andrew
BMS

Hi BMS
In this case, if the car has been tuned by using Ecutec, by adding addtional item (water-meth), a fine-tune is needed?
kindly advise. And what is the cost $ of the item itself?

Hi edwardzz,

After adding water alone, you can or you can choose not to retune.

After adding water-meth, a retune is almost a must.

If you already have an EcuTek license, then only pays retune fee.
I will send pricing via PM to you.

Andrew
BMS

Andrew, re: the above, meth-water injection only starts around 0.8bar of boost right? so below that it should feel like before injection. 0.8bar is usually around mid-range ie. low-low-mid also no change. why do you say it's 10% across the rpm range? compared to a big-turbo, where low-end will feel about the same, isn't it about the same? ie. the gains mainly on mid-high end.

Actually that is not really true unless the car is tuned at the jagged edge and water is used as a safety stopgap ..

Once you spray water, you lose HP without any tuning .. If you spray a little bit so as not to affect power, then you're not spraying enough and it's a waste ..

More info can be found at www.aquamist.co.uk .. Richard Lamb is also a very nice guy who will answers any queries regarding water injection ..

Agreed... water alone will cause a loss in power. The A/F mixture needs to be brought back to optimal and ignition timing needs to be advanced. Lots of empirical data and my own testing supports this.

Hi ablaze,
It depends... i can start spray as low as 0.3bar. It really depends if any power/torque is realised vs amount of water-meth used. There is a balance there. Across the rpm range i am refering to when on boost for turbocharged cars.
With big turbo, you will get lag. It takes time for the turbo to spool up. the low end will NOT feel the same.

thanks for the info, Andrew. have emailed you with more questions

btw, have checked with Coolingmist. All Vari-cool kits from BMS carry a LIFETIME WARRANTY! Andrew, think you should edit your website: it still shows 1 year only.

"true unless the car is tuned at the jagged edge and water is used as a safety stopgap .."

This is exactly my sentiments when i typed the reply on "water alone" - can spray or also can dont spray...
Just to share, i encountered a few customers that came to me, bought 2nd hand water injection kits, installed and ask me to dial in the spray.. I explained to them that tuning is required but minority of them... maybe just 2-3 of them didnt buy it. They said " Cannot be. I read from forum that add water injection no need tuning. Direct bolt on "
All i have to say is, i tried all ways to convince them but i really failed... at the back of their mind could be...andrew want to make a quick buck charging me retune fees...
I gave up. Dial in min for safety and at the same time, dont zap away their power.Its tough though....

Above mentioned is just my personal experience with my customers. Its purely my experience.

I learn that.... at the end of the day, the customer is always right.
Andrew
BMS