Singapore Mitsubishi Evolution Club

Shit man. I already have an SST cooler, although with Camp II, i notice that with my gearbox temperature don't rise before 80+ degrees with or without the SST cooler on. I hence conclude that i don't drive the car hard enough to overheat the gearbox, since i don't track. That is even when i set it to S-Sports and fully automatic, and tried to max out from one end of Lim Chu Kang to the other. Reached about 220km/h before i ran out of road, 385 BHP, no octane booster, gearbox temperature with SST cooler on - 84 degrees.

So maybe i should go GR and really add the HKS GT3240 turbo kit, which will bring my car to the next notch.

Qn is - assuming SST gearbox fails is it always a sequence of overheating followed by mechanical failure, or if the torque is too high, can the gearbox blow purely due to mechanical failure? I'm sure the latter is possible (like breaking chopsticks), then the next question is, which is the real threshold of the SST gearbox? I'm sure cooling helps but only to a certain extent. Of course if it's over-done and the gearbox blows, that's S$20K down the drain... Difficult decisions like this, always plagueing me... Think i shall head down to Loyang Tua Pek Gong and ask for some guidance... Maybe even if no answer to gearbox, at least can get the next set of winning 4D numbers which might more than off-set the S$20K!!

You can go more than that ..

You cannot blow gearbox 'just like that' ..
You launch .. good luck and pray hard
You are not at the threshold yet .. the big turbo guys are though .. coz I've seen it

But even at the limit, you will not blow the gearbox .. because that is the soft limit ..

Yo bro, be careful, you don't know who is watching this place. Beside I think going over 100km/h of speed limit is court case (if I am not wrong). Not to mention it is dangerous to drive at such high speed on public road not design for such speed.

If you like to drive your car fast then i think you should track.....and that's the only way you can see the full potential of the sst cooler (HKS I presume), not on straight roads especially public ones..
And your transmission (gearbox as you call it) will not blow, it will go into limp mode (slow down warning) when temps are maxed..and when the fluid temp is maxed out once too many times, its best to change it out..
As some of the bros here tracking SST can attest, your oil temp will reach its limit way before your trans with the HKS, SSP or DIY cooler...lastly but most important, PLEASE REMEMBER POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL...

It's been almost a month since CNY, and i received a letter from LTA.... Road tax renewal "Thank you for using GIRO"... Phew!!!

I always drive up and down once, both directions, before i do a, six lane u-turn and do it. No other obvious vehicles, TP or cameras, but loads of foreign workers who are always sitting by the roadside and usually amused to see some guy trying to max out his car...

I've kinda concluded small single or double land roads without overhead bridges (e.g. Neo Tiew, Orange Grove, Mt Pleasant, Mt Faber, Jervois Rd, some of the Bukit Timah Rds) are the safest places to pursue little personal illicit pleasures... What are your thoughts?

Don't try Mt Sophia though cos i'm currently staying around there and i ran into a bunch of police dogs, AETOs officers and Police officers patrolling along the Istana stretch around midnight not so long ago, revving hard and producing noise... See beh shag man...

All right man! I'm gonna upgrade the turbo! Pls loop me for the next Track Day...

POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL... but i must get power first ya...

Save your speeding for the track, buddy... or it WILL end in tears. If not for you/your family, then someone else's family.

Those roads you mentioned have no room for errors and you will learn very little about the REAL cornering limits/abilities of you and your car. The risk you are taking may not be worth it and its far from safe.

As mentioned by a few folks here already, bring your car to the track and strut your stuff dude !

Here's an older post for ya

general-car-torque/hey-speedster-check-this-out-t18291.html

Not true - if you are not even able to drive a "slow" car fast, you wouldn't be able to drive a fast car fast. Makes sense ?

("Slow car" meaning stock to basic mods, "fast car" meaning heavy mods such as your desired 500+ hps mean machine. )

Unless you are already a seasoned driver, the extra power is not only going to overwhelm you, it will also mask your mistakes which beyond that, will only entail more mistakes.

Protege is right, when i said Control, it is meant to be categorised into 2 factors - Car and Human.
The car control factor is handling and stopping prowess which in my opinion should come before power upgrades... Next is the human control factor which is experience, judgement and most importantly the ability to control your emotions and ego on the road and track...the latter is harder to control i must admit...Lewis Hamilton is a perfect example...

Take your car to the track and experience the full potential with mild modifications first and make progressive modifications as you go along to suit your capabilities...

Yeah man, that sounds great... When's track day, can somebody organize... I've never been to Malaysia.. Kinda sua koo... But i was last in Malaysia when i was very very young in 1981... I've been raring to go, but not keen to go alone...

I agree and then some. A stock-ish car is designed to let most drivers get away with small mistakes (DSC/ACD/AYC/ABS/inherent understeer/muted throttle response/boost taper/etc). The extra power is very unforgiving to users who don't (yet) have the experience or know-how to deal with it.

It's a world of difference between "Yup, that was exactly what I expected it to do" and "Phew, I got away with that".

Cheers and have (safe) fun driving!

Personally, I like to compare driving performance cars to golf. Yea... U can have the best clubs, yea you can have the best swing or putt or whatever. But bringing it all together and also having the mental strength to either push on or retreat is as important. An aging golfer becomes the peak of his game as his swing is not as good, his sight is not as good and he uses more of his experience and also wisdom to bring him the trophy. Skill??? Everyone will claim they have the skill... But then who doesn't?

Yes you are right! With stock SST i only lost control once or twice, once i tuned to higher BHP and torque, had some difficulty taking corners for weeks. Upgraded the tyres which partially solved the problem. Thankfully the S-AWC is Super Awesome Wheel Control and it has routinely kicked in and taken over the driving in such situations. Only lacking a LCD module to tell the driver in Japanese "Konnichiwa, u screwed up again, please drive properly".

When i was driving an old EF civic during my uni days abt 11 yrs back, a 100 BHP front wheel drive, which was produced in the 80s and totally devoid of electronics or even LSD, i lost control once only, and the car just went spiralling in a big hopeless loop, 4 lanes of traffic stopped behind me at Cairnhill Place, my life flashed pass my eyes momentarily... But thankfully it wasn't my time then.

I'll admit i got no skill... i drive like petrol kiosk owner's son in Initial D. No skill is best exemplified by 12 years of driving experience, 32 years of age, 0% NCD with loading due to claims. Typical mistakes of no-skill driver include "turn left, look right" and "sudden obstacle + panic, shit which one is the brake??!?". Typical excuses of no-skill driver include "the lamp post jump in front of me" and "i stepped the brake and the car just went faster".

Nevertheless, i still wanna build a max-ed out Evo X SST using pure HKS parts, 600+BHP. Just drive it hard for a few times, take some photos and then sell it to a truly worthy driver. 30 years later, when my hair is grey and my skin wrinkly, when cars will probably run on batteries, sunlight and vegetable oil, i'll open my album and remember that 30 years ago, i did just that, cars ran on gasoline and 600BHP was a big thing...

Why, HKS sponsored your ride? Or you got discount from HKS?

Looking at your signature & posts in the thread, I am seriously worried about you & other road users around you. I hope you do not have a thing for street racing or feel the need to beat other rides, or drive fast (especially cornering fast) on public roads.

Chill dude It was nothing personal, I was just alluding that as you start modding, it becomes exponentially more unforgiving and difficult to drive. There is no way for me, or anyone for that matter, to judge if you do or do not have the aptitude to be in full control of your car, nor do we have any right to judge. Just objectively sounding out that if you are planning for a 600hp monster, do be aware of that the car could be quite a handful to drive, thus do be careful and practice public safety accountability when piloting it on public roads.

Absolutely nothing personal against you, as this applies to every single road user and vehicle owner

Here's an idea: why don't you mod your car with the best parts available (based on your budget) - and "pure HKS" isn't necessarily it - and take it to the track... better yet, hit the track before modding... embarrass yourself on your first outing (you will likely do that)... get hooked on improving your laptime and get satisfaction from using your car the way it was intended? The 30-year lookback will be better this way.

That's how many of us do it. IMHO, there are no "worthy drivers" on the street.

Trackdays are advertised on this forum. You just have to sign up.

Hey bro... No prob... I'm quite chill... Almost fully aware of my limitations in skill as a driver, with my poor vision, slow reflexes, and gross obesity (the car will go faster if i lose weight versus if i switch to carbon fibre bonnet and boot). I've long accepted that there are many far greater, better drivers.

I typically just drag 6th gear at 50-60kmph in the third lane along with the vans... Until i sight some crazy action going on the streets (i might just join in), or some Vios or Jazz tailgates me and starts to high beam for some strange reason... I mean, when i drove a Civic, i would never tailgate an Evo...

My friend... Do you know how much power is 600bhp (brake horse power)??? That equates to more than 800ponies at the crank.... At 30 plus wif no NCD, are you sure you want to go down that road? I drove V8 with 650 bhp and 1000 plus NM torque in Aus before. Do you know how scary that experience was? Remember the movie Fast and Furios? Where Vin Diesel had a monster that even he was afraid to drive? Why?

Power for a car is easy. But it does not take a powerful car to kill someone, including yourself. If I knew you better, I wud be nagging at you like I do to some other brothers here... but I do not know you. And it is also your own money. But like I always say, why shoot for something and spend money getting there and in the end not being to enjoy it? You can mod your SST to 600bhp... But then if you plan to sell it off and look back at it years from now, I would not think you will look at it with pride. Please reconsider lah.

Heh, paiseh, i meant 600 HP at the crank, but still it's damn hiong for SST. I've taken a GT-600+ GTR, puts out 700+ HP, absolute monster, blasted past 250kmph on Mandai like nobody's business, in the evening, and on the opposite lane the cars literally appeared as if they had stopped and time stood still...

As the passenger, i was looking for something to grab. Then after that, driver went - "Ready for high boost?"

Honestly, after that my Evo just didn't feel the same anymore. Honestly i felt inadequate with my HKS Stage II car.

Never really thought about selling the SST... Hope i never have to sell it... I'll somehow pay off the car loan and keep the car...

Thanks for the advice though... Really appreciate it... But just for that once i'll still do a HKS prototype SST, and max out the car...

You're not trying desperately hard to put your (apparently) preferred workshop out of business, are you?

Bro Mike, inc. many others herein this thread, have shared their rightful concerns over your 'aggressive demeanor', all of whom (I'm sure) are awaiting for your concilliation of their insight, in good faith

cheers mate, n drive safe

Quite honestly, even a stock Evo is mostly wasted on Singapore roads - how often does one really get to drive flat out redline every gear? Almost never. For the average Singaporean, it's usually rush hour when we're on the road (mornings to work, and evenings back home) so it's almost a non-point to discuss the necessity of extra power.

At the end of the day, it's your car, your money, and what you want out of the above. If it's your dream to build a 1000hp 7sec quartermile car, go for it. Just be sure that your dream and your actions in public domain do not negatively impact the dreams of others, is all

Hell, you could be driving a 30hp scooter and still be a public liability if you don't have the right attitude, let alone a pocket rocket that comes with 300hp straight from the factory.

Have fun!

Dear Sirs,

Apologies if i come across as aggressive ... I'd like to think of myself as a general docile fat guy with occasional bipolar tendencies... I just drive in my own little world usually...

Not trying to put the only workshop i know out of business... My knowledge of cars is really limited, the only Evo driver i knew who modified his car extensively there and told me to go there, so i did...