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 Post subject: Differences between RS, GT and GSR
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:07 am
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JDM only discussion
(feel free to add US and UK specs to this discussion)

Traditionally, Mitsubishi produces two variants for each generation of Evos.

1. A racing spec, stripped down, lightweight version called the RS
2. A full spec, road-going version called the GSR


RS models
There are usually limited quantities of RS units produced and these are traditionally snapped up by racing teams/development houses/tuners/garages.

You can usually tell the RS models apart because RS only comes in white with black door handles as well as black side mirrors.

Traditionally, you only get
  • 15" steel wheels,
  • basic 2 pot front/1 pot rear brakes,
  • non Recaro seats,
  • standard shocks
  • no air conditioning,
  • standard halogen (not Xenon) headlights
  • no electrically adjusted side mirrors,
  • no electrically retractable side mirrors,
  • no power windows,
  • no rear windscreen wipers,
  • no passenger side sun-visor
  • lightweight stripped out, very little soundproofing
  • centre console only has single DIN space for head unit
  • 50l fuel tanks
  • no SAYC, but uses 1.5 way mechanical LSD
  • no ABS

The rationale is that you either don't need the frills (aircon, power windows/mirrors etc) in favour of weight savings, or you are going to swap them out for racing spec equipment from third party manufacturers (like body hugging bucket seats, 6 pot/4 pot brakes etc). In the past, the RS models also used a less sporty steering wheel.

For the 9RS, Mitsubishi has retained the ACD, but loses the SAYC2, in favour of a tougher LSD. From 8th generation onwards, the GSR uses a 6 speed gearbox, while the RS retains the 5 speed gearbox.

Standard on the 9 RS is the new magnesium titanium turbo. The mag-titanium turbo is also standard for the GT but is only an option for the GSR, which comes standard with the titanium turbo.

If you can get a direct order from Mitsubishi, the 9RS offers a whole bunch of options so you can customize the RS exactly to your requirements, including adding SAYC2, Brembos, Sports ABS, power windows/mirrors, airconditioning, etc, but to be honest, after factoring in the cost of all these options, you might as well get the GSR model.


GSR Models
The GSR is more like the full blown road-going version of the Evo.

So for the 9th generation, that means you get

  • new lightweight 17" Enkei rims, with optional lighter BBS rims, shod with Advan A046 235/45 tyres
  • Brembo 4 pot front/2 pot rear brakes,
  • Recaro seats with leather/alcantara trim,
  • Bilstein shocks
  • climate control air conditioning,
  • Xenon headlights with integrated foglights
  • electrically adjusted side mirrors,
  • electrically retractable side mirrors,
  • power windows,
  • rear windscreen wipers,
  • passenger side sun-visor
  • better soundproofing (than even the MR)
  • centre console has 2DIN space for head unit
  • 55l fuel tanks
  • SAYC2
  • Sports ABS


GT Models
The GT model is quite unique to the 9th generation. The GT is basically an RS (5 speed gearbox, no SAYC) that has been spec-ced up to include some of the additional features of the GSR.

Traditionally, there have been some RSII model specs but they were not universally available.

The GT is more like a compromise between the RS and the GSR which has become far more "luxurious" with better soundproofing, leather trim seats etc.

The GT also provides a good platform for Group N rally homologation, so you can in theory, drive the GT out of the showroom and straight into a Group N rally ;) though I'd probably advice getting steel braided brake lines, and better brake pads first.

  • new lightweight 17" Enkei rims, shod with Advan A046D 235/45 tyres (different compound from the GSR models)
  • Brembo 4 pot front/2 pot rear brakes,
  • Recaro seats with alcantara trim,
  • Bilstein shocks
  • climate control air conditioning,
  • Xenon headlights with integrated foglights
  • electrically adjusted side mirrors,
  • electrically retractable side mirrors,
  • power windows,
  • NO REAR windscreen wipers,
  • passenger side sun-visor
  • basic soundproofing
  • centre console has 2DIN space for head unit
  • 55l fuel tanks
  • No SAYC2 but uses 1.5 way mechanical LSD
  • Sports ABS


I may have missed some parts out, so feel free to add on and I'll continue to edit this list to make it current.


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axl wrote:
Very good! Hehe... virgin post here! Guess who am I??? :x


no need to guess, ur nick says it all haha


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:53 pm
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For the RS, side mirrors are also unpainted (black).

GT section should be amended to read "does not come with REAR windshield wiper". Comes with magnesium-aluminium turbo as standard equipment.

GSR titanium-aluminum turbo as standard.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:11 pm
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Tks Privateer :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:59 pm
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And the IX GSR and GT come with 55l fuel tanks. RS has 50l fuel tank


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:35 pm
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:roll: just 2 add....

if i'm not wrong..... GT models does not have Discharge Headlamps (w optical adjustment mechanism) & front Foglights that GSR models have...... :wink:


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:mrgreen: forgot to add ...

GT models have Rear 1.5 way mechanical cable type LSD (while GSR have SAYC).....


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Pardon me sir, but what's mechanical cable type LSD?
U mean mechanical (helical) or clutch (plate) type?

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deanlim wrote:
:mrgreen: forgot to add ...

GT models have Rear 1.5 way mechanical cable type LSD (while GSR have SAYC).....


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:12 pm
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deanlim wrote:
:roll: just 2 add....

if i'm not wrong..... GT models does not have Discharge Headlamps (w optical adjustment mechanism) & front Foglights that GSR models have...... :wink:


I am pretty sure the JDM GT has HID standard. Did CnC remove the HIDs along with the Bilsteins?

Thanks for the clarification on the LSD vs SAYC issue :)


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Different importers would bring in different specs for the GT and GSR. The GT from C&C comes with HIDs but not Bilsteins.


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BakZamGai wrote:
Pardon me sir, but what's mechanical cable type LSD?
U mean mechanical (helical) or clutch (plate) type?

Cheers
Dennis



:roll: i'm ashame to say that i'm not that familiar with LSD stuff, cos i just quote what is stated on the brochue..... furthermore.... i dun own a evo :oops: :oops: hence cannot comment much..... :mrgreen:

:roll: the the evo gurus here come give some comments on the types of LSD used......


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DoggieHowser wrote:
I am pretty sure the JDM GT has HID standard. Did CnC remove the HIDs along with the Bilsteins?

Thanks for the clarification on the LSD vs SAYC issue :)


:roll: not quite sure abt it.... cos i just quote what's stated in the japan specs...... :mrgreen: maybe evo IX bros who bought the GT models from C & C can comment on these...... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:17 am
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Am pretty sure 9GT has HIDs as standard based on the official Japanese website.

Seen quite a number liao locally.

9GT standard also has Bilsteins, but if you can order directly from the factory in Japan (before production run ended), you can order them to custom remove the Bilstein for the standard E8 shocks, also used in the RS trim.


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DoggieHowser wrote:
Am pretty sure 9GT has HIDs as standard based on the official Japanese website.

Seen quite a number liao locally.

9GT standard also has Bilsteins, but if you can order directly from the factory in Japan (before production run ended), you can order them to custom remove the Bilstein for the standard E8 shocks, also used in the RS trim.


JDM 9GT HID and foglight are optional eqiupment. You're right, Bilstein can opt out.

Add: Only JDM 9GSR have sunroof option.

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bro the GT tank only 50 litres not 55




Beancurd wrote:
DoggieHowser wrote:
Am pretty sure 9GT has HIDs as standard based on the official Japanese website.

Seen quite a number liao locally.

9GT standard also has Bilsteins, but if you can order directly from the factory in Japan (before production run ended), you can order them to custom remove the Bilstein for the standard E8 shocks, also used in the RS trim.


JDM 9GT HID and foglight are optional eqiupment. You're right, Bilstein can opt out.

Add: Only JDM 9GSR have sunroof option.


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deanlim wrote:
DoggieHowser wrote:
I am pretty sure the JDM GT has HID standard. Did CnC remove the HIDs along with the Bilsteins?

Thanks for the clarification on the LSD vs SAYC issue :)


:roll: not quite sure abt it.... cos i just quote what's stated in the japan specs...... :mrgreen: maybe evo IX bros who bought the GT models from C & C can comment on these...... :mrgreen:


E9 GT has HID as well as optical adjustable lens as standard.
E9 GT has Bilstein suspension as standard.
E9 GT also has the highest torque among all E9s :lol:


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I on a E9GT from CnC. it does not have bilstein shocks.
Oil tank is 50 litres.


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Looking back at this thread, it's probably worth adding that the GT and RS have 5-speed gearboxes, while the GSR has the 6-speed one.

Not sure about the gear rations, so perhaps someone here can post the confirmed gear ratios for:

Evo VII GSR 5-speed
Evo VIII (RS?) 5-speed
Evo VIII GSR 6-speed
Evo VIII MR RS 5-speed
Evo VIII MR 6-speed
Evo XI RS 5-speed
Evo IX GT 5-speed
Evo IX GSR 6-speed
Evo IX MR GSR 5-speed
Evo IX RS 5-speed

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ghoonk wrote:
Looking back at this thread, it's probably worth adding that the GT and RS have 5-speed gearboxes, while the GSR has the 6-speed one.


Was already in first post.

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ghoonk wrote:
Looking back at this thread, it's probably worth adding that the GT and RS have 5-speed gearboxes, while the GSR has the 6-speed one.

Not sure about the gear rations, so perhaps someone here can post the confirmed gear ratios for:

Evo VII GSR 5-speed
Evo VIII (RS?) 5-speed
Evo VIII GSR 6-speed
Evo VIII MR RS 5-speed
Evo VIII MR 6-speed
Evo XI RS 5-speed
Evo IX GT 5-speed
Evo IX GSR 6-speed
Evo IX MR GSR 5-speed
Evo IX RS 5-speed


Bro, Evo IX MR GSR is 6-speed.


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anybody like to give a run down on the specs for the evo 9 rsII? seems like the last few units are coming in over the next 2 months :D

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 Post subject: Re: Differences between RS, GT and GSR
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Here are some interesting article & infor on this subjects. Happy reading

Model Codes
Each Evolution model had a different 4-digit start of the chassis number [the V and VI were the same, CP9A, VII, VII GT-A and VIII were also identical, they used CT9A - see Technical Specification for the full list].

There is also a model number to distinguish between the GSR and RS. The tables below show the meaning of each digit [example is an Evo VI TME GSR]:

What's the difference between the GSR and RS?
The Evo I to III RS and GSR employ the same gearbox. The later Evo's are however, different. The GSR box has longer gearing.

The RS Model hasn't got ABS or AYC and the car is between 70kg and 100kg lighter [dependant on model - see Technical Specification] due to lighter panels and lightweight window glass. Although weight could be reduced further on the RS model by opting for the thinner gauge body, or by asking for a car minus the aerodynamic appendages.

There are a few more technical differences. These are:

Option of twin-plate clutch [from the 1996 Evolution IV]
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T titanium turbocharger was employed on the Evolution VI onwards
RS has closer gearing for better acceleration. But top speed is between 125mph and 150mph depending on model.
RS's 0-60 is a fraction faster than the GSR times
The RS also has a quicker steering rack, 2.1 max turns [2.3 on the GSR]
Option of either a normal open front diff or a helical gear Limited Slip Diff ['worm gear' type]
Rear differential is a mechanical LSD

There are a few cosmetic differences also. These are:

The RS has black door handles and wing mirrors
The RS has no rear wash wiper
The RS has no front fog lamps**
In some cases the wheels are 15" steels [it was option to have GSR wheels]
The RS has no Climate Control, electric windows or mirrors; the seats are slightly different
The RS is available in Scotia White only
Smaller leather Momo steering wheel [365mm] with no airbag
No central locking and no radio-type keyless entry system

** For the GSR models that have foglights, the RS bumper is the same but has the spaces blanked out with covers

As for refinement, the GSR is the more refined of the two. It has all the extras you would find in any saloon car such as climate control, electric windows, electric mirrors, Alloy wheels etc.

The RS seats are more like the traditional bucket seats used in competition cars. Rally teams don't want climate control, nice seats, alloy wheels, ABS etc. as they would just have to ditch it all and replace it for high specification rally items or lose most of the equipment completely to save weight. The RS is a popular car with Group N teams.

The RS is a cheaper car, so if you were thinking of using the Evo a few times a month for a blast and for track days then the RS would seem a better option. But, if you are planning on driving the car frequently and like your luxuries then don't even consider the RS.

Other Evolution Models
OK, so you are clued about on the GSR, RS, but there are other Evo's you need to be aware of. From the 1992 Evo to 1996 Evo IV there were just the standard two models; The GSR and RS. The differences between these models are covered above.

There are some other models for the Evo V, VI, VII, VIII, VIII MR and IX. After the arrival of the Evolution V in 1998, the Evo model became a cult icon in the UK. Ralliart began to import the Evolution V and the Evolution VI. With years of knowledge and experience behind them, Ralliart began to experiment with the Evolution.

Below is some basic information on these extra special Evo's.

Evolution V/VI RS450 - UK Model
The RS450 upgrade was only fitted to the Evo VI. Although one Evo V RS did have the conversion done [white one featured in some magazines]. There were only 4 or 5 all based on eXtremes, and were based on the RSII, not an RS. So, air con, long gearing but no AYC or ABS. AP brakes were fitted to most of them but it wasn't mandatory and some had 4pot fronts with Brembo rears while the better option was 6pot front/4pot rear.

Why was it named the RS450? That was the torque figure they aimed for but never achieved. One has been measured [rolling roaded] at 383lbs/ft with 379bhp. 0-100 appears in just 8.8 seconds. A psychotic car! Ralliart also reckon 0-60 will appear in under 4 seconds. The original price tag was £44,000! Rare as rocking horse s**t! I have never seen one in the flesh. All the customer cars were mapped conservatively to make sure that none exploded - which they didn't! More aggressive mapping would get much nearer to the aimed 450lbs/ft.

Evolution VI/VII RSII - European Models
The RSII is a cross between a GSR and RS. From the Evo VI onwards there is also an RSII version that sits in the middle ground between the RS and GSR but is basically an RS with some added GSR equipment. The RS and RSII is also available in LHD, the GSR is available in RHD only.

Evolution VI/VII RS Sprint - UK Models
The Evo VI RS Sprint is a Ralliart tuned Evo VI RS that produces a healthy 320bhp. Modifications include a Ralliart ECU, ARP conrod bolts, HKS exhaust system and HKS air filter.

Evolution VI RSX - UK Model
It doesn't have AYC or ABS or climate control but it does have electric windows and mirrors and has aircon. It has upgraded Recaro SR seats with more thigh support than the standard GSR. It has the standard GSR gearbox but also has the Torsen front diff.

It also has a big 16G titanium turbo. This is the same turbo as the GSR but with a titanium shaft and turbo wheel and it isn't the same as the small titanium unit used on the Makinen editions. Some of the RSX's have had ARP conrod bolts put in but even Ralliart can't tell you which ones have and which ones haven't!!!

It also has a modified ECU to take account of the fact that there is no ABS and AYC. As a result of all this it weighs 1280kgs, which is approximately 80kgs less than the GSR. Due to the lighter weight it is supposedly slightly quicker to 60 but you're only talking tenths of seconds.

Evolution VI Tommi Makinen RS Monte Carlo - UK Model
The "Monte" is a Ralliart tuned Evo VI Tommi Makinen RS that produces a healthy 320bhp. Modifications include a Ralliart ECU, ARP conrod bolts, HKS exhaust system and HKS air filter. The front seats are changed to a pair of Recaro Black Recliners and the normal TME badging is changed to "Monte Carlo". Only 12 of these models were produced and to date, remain one of the rarest Evo's.

Evolution VI/VII/VIII Extreme/Extreme S/Extreme SC/Zero Fighter - UK Models*
Now, these are the ultimate Evo's. A few cosmetic changes, white and red colour-coding. The real deal! Not for the faint-hearted.

Head of tuning at Ralliart UK [now Xtreme Autos - See Ralliart goes "Xtreme"] Toney Cox stated that you would need a serious motorbike to keep with the Extreme [Quoted from the Mitsubishi Lancer Story DVD] I can believe him! The Evo VI Extreme can be picked up for under £25k now. A bargain! Power figures are as follows:

VI Extreme/Zero Fighter : 340bhp : 303lb/ft of torque
VII Extreme : 339bhp : 350lb/ft of torque
VII Extreme S : 357bhp : 383lb/ft of torque
VII Extreme SC : 458bhp [500 is available] : 410lb/ft of torque
VIII Extreme : 337bhp : 320lb/ft of torque

*Zero Fighter was tuned by MMC Japan.

Evolution VII/VIII FQ-300/FQ-330 - UK Models
These are basically slightly tuned GSR models. Some question the price of the FQ models as an upgrade to a GSR model would be cheaper than buying an FQ model.

VII FQ-300 : Exhaust system/filter : 301bhp : 300lb/ft of torque
VIII FQ-300 : Exhaust system/filter : 301bhp : 300lb/ft of torque
VIII FQ-330 : Exhaust system/filter/ECU : 330bhp : 305lb/ft of torque

Evolution VIII MR FQ300/320/340 - UK Models
VIII MR FQ-300 : Base Model: 301bhp : 289lb/ft of torque
VIII MR FQ-300 : Exhaust system/filter : 320bhp : 300lb/ft of torque
VIII MR FQ-340 : Exhaust system/filter/ECU : 340bhp : 320lb/ft of torque

Evolution IX FQ300/320/340/360 - UK Models
IX FQ-300 : Base Model: 301bhp : 289lb/ft of torque
IX FQ-300 : Exhaust system/filter : 320bhp : 300lb/ft of torque
IX FQ-340 : Exhaust system/filter/ECU : 340bhp : 320lb/ft of torque
IX FQ-360 : Exhaust system/filter/ECU : 366bhp : 363lb/ft of torque

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9MR wrote:
ghoonk wrote:
Looking back at this thread, it's probably worth adding that the GT and RS have 5-speed gearboxes, while the GSR has the 6-speed one.

Not sure about the gear rations, so perhaps someone here can post the confirmed gear ratios for:

Evo VII GSR 5-speed
Evo VIII (RS?) 5-speed
Evo VIII GSR 6-speed
Evo VIII MR RS 5-speed
Evo VIII MR 6-speed
Evo XI RS 5-speed
Evo IX GT 5-speed
Evo IX GSR 6-speed
Evo IX MR GSR 5-speed
Evo IX RS 5-speed


Bro, Evo IX MR GSR is 6-speed.


oops, the perils of cutting and pasting :)

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 Post subject: Re: Differences between RS, GT and GSR
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Pardon me, but what does GSR, RS and GT stand for?
GT = Grand Touring or Gran Tourismo?
GSR = Grand Sport Racing?
RS = Rally Sport or Racing Stripped?


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