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 Post subject: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:04 pm

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It was a 4-door 335 sedan. Looks stock to me. My Evo 9 is stock as well.

I was behind the 335 at the traffic light. When the light turned green, the bugger floored his accelerator and so did I. 1st gear... then 2nd gear... On third gear, i can feel the 335 slightly pulling away already. Although it was not by a lot, it was for sure I couldn't keep up with the 335.

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:51 pm

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to be fair, its probably not an even race. you are driving manual and he is in an auto. no offence, but i would expect the 335 to win.

the reality is that if you go to bmw-sg, 335 drivers think they are fastest and if you come to sgevoclub, evo drivers think they are the fastest, and so on...

i have data from both 335 and evo x sst which shows the cars are quite similar in straight line acceleration up to about 170km/h but after that the 335 remains linear while the evo tapers off (not that you get to those speed on the street). timing around sepang is another story because the evo is built for the track while the 335 is built for the highway.


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:56 pm
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Somehow I'm not surprise. Played with a 335 once on my Yahama R1 (1000cc sport bike) and he was able to keep up with me from standstill to abt 150 km/h until I start pulling away. That's very fast for a car and afterall it's a 3L twin Turbo.

Assuming the 335 is not modded, this is its spec:

Engine Type : 6-cylinder in-line 4-valve twin turbo
Transmission : 6-speed automatic
Engine Cap : 2979cc
Acceleration (0-100 km/h) : 5.8sec
Horsepower : 306 bhp / 5800 rpm
Torque : 400 Nm / 1300 rpm

Vs stock Evo 9 GSR

Engine Capacity: 1994 cc Turbocharged
Engine Layout: Straight 4
Max Power: 286 Bhp / 6500 rpm
Max Torque: 392 Nm / 3500 rpm
0-100 km/h: 4.7 secs
Top Speed: 251 km/h

Base on official figure, Evo should have faster pick up, maybe the 335 was modded. Anyway, I think Evo have more potential and it's power can be easily release.


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:16 pm

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sunboy77 wrote:
It was a 4-door 335 sedan. Looks stock to me. My Evo 9 is stock as well.

I was behind the 335 at the traffic light. When the light turned green, the bugger floored his accelerator and so did I. 1st gear... then 2nd gear... On third gear, i can feel the 335 slightly pulling away already. Although it was not by a lot, it was for sure I couldn't keep up with the 335.


Puzzled...


i'm puzzled.. ur ad post shows ur evo not stock leh.. maybe the 335 also not stock la.. nowadays alot of sleeper cars.. stock exterior..

a current model M3 tried to disturb me lately.. i let him pull off then chase him..cos he refuse to let me overtake him, purposely go in front of me on clear road, he cldnt shake me off the half car distance despite my ride having misfiring problems.. some cockanathan newbie M3 owner trying to show off to gf..


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:19 pm

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masschaoz wrote:
i'm puzzled.. ur ad post shows ur evo not stock leh..


Haha I'll consider my Evo relatively stock since it's on stock turbo, exhaust manifold, injectors and ECU. :)

Hahahaha maybe also bcos I'm too lousy a driver la. e.g. change gear too slow. :D


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:30 am
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Another factor to consider is that you were behind him at the lights, and you floored the pedal only after you observed that he was gunning it. This lag time would make a significant difference. If you had gunned it off the line at the exact same time, I would expect it to be a different story...

Also, bear in mind that the incredible 0-100 times achievable on the Evo is partly due to the amount of grip available when launching, as compared to a 2WD vehicle. Therefore, if you didn't launch it off the line and just rolled on 1st gear, you would have relinquished the advantage.

Lastly, the 335i, with it's 3L twin turbo setup, has a lot less lag and more torque at lower RPM than the Evo. So again, if you had rolled on 1st gear, the 335i would have had the upper hand until your turbo starts spooling good and proper.

Or maybe I'm just biased as an Evo owner hahaha :P

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:46 am

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masschaoz wrote:
sunboy77 wrote:
It was a 4-door 335 sedan. Looks stock to me. My Evo 9 is stock as well.

I was behind the 335 at the traffic light. When the light turned green, the bugger floored his accelerator and so did I. 1st gear... then 2nd gear... On third gear, i can feel the 335 slightly pulling away already. Although it was not by a lot, it was for sure I couldn't keep up with the 335.


Puzzled...


i'm puzzled.. ur ad post shows ur evo not stock leh.. maybe the 335 also not stock la.. nowadays alot of sleeper cars.. stock exterior..

a current model M3 tried to disturb me lately.. i let him pull off then chase him..cos he refuse to let me overtake him, purposely go in front of me on clear road, he cldnt shake me off the half car distance despite my ride having misfiring problems.. some cockanathan newbie M3 owner trying to show off to gf..



u should have use highbeam....haha. no lah, i dun promote for road racing.but sometimes leg still itchy ....


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:09 pm

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superlemonevo wrote:
masschaoz wrote:
sunboy77 wrote:
It was a 4-door 335 sedan. Looks stock to me. My Evo 9 is stock as well.

I was behind the 335 at the traffic light. When the light turned green, the bugger floored his accelerator and so did I. 1st gear... then 2nd gear... On third gear, i can feel the 335 slightly pulling away already. Although it was not by a lot, it was for sure I couldn't keep up with the 335.


Puzzled...


i'm puzzled.. ur ad post shows ur evo not stock leh.. maybe the 335 also not stock la.. nowadays alot of sleeper cars.. stock exterior..

a current model M3 tried to disturb me lately.. i let him pull off then chase him..cos he refuse to let me overtake him, purposely go in front of me on clear road, he cldnt shake me off the half car distance despite my ride having misfiring problems.. some cockanathan newbie M3 owner trying to show off to gf..



u should have use highbeam....haha. no lah, i dun promote for road racing.but sometimes leg still itchy ....


yeah.. road racing not good.. muz practice moderation.. but still gotta burst their ego abit else they cause havoc on the roads..


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:24 pm
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without launching... I don't think stock evo 9 can ever achieve 4.7s for 0-100km/h. maybe ard 5.6s


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:58 am
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not surprised that 335 can pull away from evo... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:42 am

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Bro, i also meet a white 4 dr 335 recently at along katong road. Same at traffic light he is in front once turn green, he gun and I gun, on the 3rd gear I beside him, 4th gear - 2 to 3 car space ahead him.


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:26 am
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stanX wrote:
Bro, i also meet a white 4 dr 335 recently at along katong road. Same at traffic light he is in front once turn green, he gun and I gun, on the 3rd gear I beside him, 4th gear - 2 to 3 car space ahead him.


fierce leh bro. 2nd gear onwards full throttle along katong road already = bye bye driving license. u 4th gear leh :blackeye:

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:32 am
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i see quite often also. along my daily routes. very powerful cars..

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:45 am
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Nicholas25 wrote:
...Assuming the 335 is not modded, this is its spec:

Engine Type : 6-cylinder in-line 4-valve twin turbo
Transmission : 6-speed automatic
Engine Cap : 2979cc
Acceleration (0-100 km/h) : 5.8sec
Horsepower : 306 bhp / 5800 rpm
Torque : 400 Nm / 1300 rpm

Vs stock Evo 9 GSR

Engine Capacity: 1994 cc Turbocharged
Engine Layout: Straight 4
Max Power: 286 Bhp / 6500 rpm
Max Torque: 392 Nm / 3500 rpm
0-100 km/h: 4.7 secs
Top Speed: 251 km/h

Base on official figure, Evo should have faster pick up, maybe the 335 was modded. Anyway, I think Evo have more potential and it's power can be easily release.


Max torque unleashed at 1.3k rpm? (W/o hvg the figures verified personally, i'd say it'l be possible, given the cubic capacity n the relatively small snails) that means the car is virtually lag free, auto w power on tap, idiot-proof :) max power before 6k too..there shld be many highway stars around. But for that price, such stock performance is not uncommon.

Of cos, there r the 'potential' & 'mod viability' elements that evo drivers r all too familiar w :twisted: ( i shant indulge herewith further comments that may appear biaised against the beemer - w a disclaimer that i did mod n race an E36 M3 in the UK some yrs back)

(i'm sure this thread is making its round therein the relevant sections of the local beemer forum, which would be great i guess 8) )

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:01 pm
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yeah.. road racing not good.. muz practice moderation.. but still gotta burst their ego abit else they cause havoc on the roads..


Couldn't have said it better myself. And people are wondering why evo insurance are so high.

When driving performance cars, there will always be jokers that want to challenge you. If cannot practice basic road responsibilty & hold your "inner fire", then I think driving high performance car on public road isn't for you.

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:08 am
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Not suprising at all bro...I'm driving a X btw, arranged a drag with my frd's 335i sometime back. Stock to stock, he was almost one car length ahead of me at 180kmh.
After he chip up his car, we tried again, this time 2 cars or more ahead of me. Btw he had a passenger in the car too.
I must say even stock 335i is fast enough man.....

sunboy77 wrote:
It was a 4-door 335 sedan. Looks stock to me. My Evo 9 is stock as well.

I was behind the 335 at the traffic light. When the light turned green, the bugger floored his accelerator and so did I. 1st gear... then 2nd gear... On third gear, i can feel the 335 slightly pulling away already. Although it was not by a lot, it was for sure I couldn't keep up with the 335.

Puzzled...


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:23 am

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I couldn't default much on a stock beemer and i somehow maybe perhaps will grind my teeth to painfully accept some facts to a minimal degree that stock beemer is good run for bucks. However I am really very appreciative that the engineers back at MMC is maybe on purpose of not "maximising" out this beast :)

This beast is far from "perfection" and once unleashed even at basic mods and remapping, make some of these beemers wonder what hit their roof and maybe ring them to drive straight to Performance Motor and considering trading in their rides for a more robust M3 hehe. I had experience with some other beemers along NSHW and had eaten some for breakfast :tongue:

Anyhow few same thing is tat we dun have the ride comfort...and also our FC at that range of 6500 to 7000 rpm is going to be really really thirsty....


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:17 pm
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i dont care what others drive. who have bigger horses or 0-100 faster is not important. Nothing in this world beats the thrill of driving the evo. The only road going car that has sheer raw power, the vibrations, the loud bangs and sounds, the handling. I dont needs comfort unless im an oldman.

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:40 pm
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charleswee wrote:
i dont care what others drive. who have bigger horses or 0-100 faster is not important. Nothing in this world beats the thrill of driving the evo. The only road going car that has sheer raw power, the vibrations, the loud bangs and sounds, the handling. I dont needs comfort unless im an oldman.



Clap clap clap... And I am an old man... muahahaha... But seriously lah... does it matter if this car got more horses, that car got faster pick up and so on... We each drive the cars we love and want. But in all cases... please do not turn a normal road into a drag strip... Imagine if someone u loved were to try to cross the road while u are at full throttle... So please please please... spare a thought for others before fulfilling your testosterone urge.

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:20 pm
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mike1304k wrote:
charleswee wrote:
i dont care what others drive. who have bigger horses or 0-100 faster is not important. Nothing in this world beats the thrill of driving the evo. The only road going car that has sheer raw power, the vibrations, the loud bangs and sounds, the handling. I dont needs comfort unless im an oldman.



Clap clap clap... And I am an old man... muahahaha... But seriously lah... does it matter if this car got more horses, that car got faster pick up and so on... We each drive the cars we love and want. But in all cases... please do not turn a normal road into a drag strip... Imagine if someone u loved were to try to cross the road while u are at full throttle... So please please please... spare a thought for others before fulfilling your testosterone urge.


totally agreed! but ur a long way to becoming an old man bro. u are young dad. (: n wad i meant by oldman is not age, is the energy n enthusiasm. hahahah. someone at 40 can also be more healthy and look younger than someone else at 30. with tt said, i think we should cut down on smoking. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:34 pm
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charleswee wrote:
mike1304k wrote:
charleswee wrote:
i dont care what others drive. who have bigger horses or 0-100 faster is not important. Nothing in this world beats the thrill of driving the evo. The only road going car that has sheer raw power, the vibrations, the loud bangs and sounds, the handling. I dont needs comfort unless im an oldman.



Clap clap clap... And I am an old man... muahahaha... But seriously lah... does it matter if this car got more horses, that car got faster pick up and so on... We each drive the cars we love and want. But in all cases... please do not turn a normal road into a drag strip... Imagine if someone u loved were to try to cross the road while u are at full throttle... So please please please... spare a thought for others before fulfilling your testosterone urge.


totally agreed! but ur a long way to becoming an old man bro. u are young dad. (: n wad i meant by oldman is not age, is the energy n enthusiasm. hahahah. someone at 40 can also be more healthy and look younger than someone else at 30. with tt said, i think we should cut down on smoking. :lol:


I quit tomorrow!!! :lol:

I will always slow down when i driving along schools, small roads, carparks and congested places. If i need speed, i go abit faster on highway or NSH or perhaps Track....Don't need to compare with others! Cos i drive my dream car and I'm happy with it...always have many great friends here too...cheers Yum Seng!!! :D

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:14 pm
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today i saw a white 335 #75 on the road. he was poking for fun and this thread came to mind. i let him overtake and i see no problem tailing him and i believe i can makan him if not for the fact that i told myself to EXERCISE RESTRAINT!!!

i drive a mildly modded E9. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:18 pm
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hahahaha well done bro. save him the embarrassment of smelling your exhaust :lol: I meant that particular car that poked u only. there are always some naughty ones but there are many more good drivers of the 335.hehe

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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:58 pm

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sunboy77 wrote:
It was a 4-door 335 sedan. Looks stock to me. My Evo 9 is stock as well.

I was behind the 335 at the traffic light. When the light turned green, the bugger floored his accelerator and so did I. 1st gear... then 2nd gear... On third gear, i can feel the 335 slightly pulling away already. Although it was not by a lot, it was for sure I couldn't keep up with the 335.

Puzzled...


Hi there,

Tink its time to start modding ur beast and leash its potential liao. Hee...

Nothing turns me on other than driving our beast.


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 Post subject: Re: BMW 335 pulled away from my stock Evo 9?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:41 pm
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I think the 335 should pick some one his own size. Perhaps a GTR instead then he would be the one left in the dust. It's just like if an Evo were to take on a Daihatsu YRV.

3L vs 2L, Twin turbo vs Single turbo. Not a very fair match I would think. Different category of cars. I drvie an Evo because I think it is the best value for it's given performance.

If one of those 335's tried to pick a race with me, I wouldn't even bother to give him the time of day let alone waste my petrol. Especially on Singapore raods.

:D :D :D

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