Singapore Mitsubishi Evolution Club

yes...two very diff monsters actually.

by default ebo should pull away in lower gear cos much lighter compared to bimmer.. Weight is a very important factor..

perhaps one of the reasons is the bimmer upshifted faster than you change your gears.. Their upshift is faster for sure but their down shift is confirm shit..

Lup one big lung and they can smell bye bye..

CONCLUSION : DRIVER PROBLEM.

highway. i can say u smell his ass.
Street. U can let him smell ur ass

i think u haven seen sunboy drove before. hahhaha.

my guess is not jus a driver issue..

like wat most bros here already mentioned, i do agree that 335 is indeed a gd car as well but i still love my EVO..

i driven both and know their behavior But still love EVO

agree with u. on highway, heat is the Evo's enemy...

In my opinion, Evos come detuned to meet emission standards, you really got to bring it to the 400 BHP range to restore it to its true stock condition. That should be the basis for fair comparison against the stock 335 or M3.

When my SST was stock, easily beaten by many cars, 0-100 is at best 6 seconds. At HKS Stage II tune, at about 385BHP and 500NM thereabts, it's probably ard 5 seconds, have met quite a few of these white modified 335 on the roads in Singapore they can at best keep up (twice at Havelock Rd area). This Cayman S just tried to drag me few days ago at the Havelock Road towards town in front of Hotel Miramar. I lost sight of the poor Cayman S in my rear view mirror before i reached the River Place condo entrance.

Interesting perspective

It brings to my mind a question that's been hanging around in my mind:

How does a car/engine manufacturer decide on how much torque/hp they would label an engine? Why 280 bhp instead of 290 bhp or 275 bhp? Granted that every engine would have slight variations from each other as no engine would ever be 100% the same, and the fact that our little engines seem to be able to take quite a bit more than the factory spec settings, is there like a graph where curves meet indicating emissions, failure rates, warranty fix $ etc. that they (manufacturers) base on to decide to tune for the torque and hp as the car's 'safe' spec? What's the inside story?

Interesting question bro...280bhp is probably a figure we have been familiar with for many years when it comes to STi and evo...mutual silent agreement on that figure perhaps. Anything above that, probably the FC would really suck big time for stock car lovers like me to consider. They have to make the factory spec car "attractive" enuff to begin with i guess. They are very sure pple would buy the car and whip it up big time...that's where big names like HKS comes into the pic...japs helping japs.

Power chase is endless and they rather put more research into other aspects of the car...that's why its called "EVOLUTION"...and i swear by this car i tell u!!! Every evo has got something extra...

IMO...even at 400bhp, an evo is still with a car's safe specs.

I suspect it's all emission controlled. A restrictive air intake, restricted combustion, and restrictive exhaust probably means some greener gases? All Evos will run perfectly fine with 100BHP more by liberating the intake, exhaust and leaning out the mixture. Won't need to change any engine parts or transmission, suspension or tyres. The AWC is still able to take charge of the extra power and torque, yes car loses traction slightly more easily but AWC takes over and corrects the position almost immediately. In short, still very well balanced. And there's some age old samurai agreement amongst Japanese manufacturers to restrict power to 280 BHP, until very recently.

Hmmmm....what about non-Japanese car manufacturers who do not have the gentlemen's agreement of 280 bhp? There must be a science (or black art) of some kind that helps them determine what they should put their engine specs at....like the BMW 335 in this thread for instance....maybe some formula like:

(Engine blow bhp X 80% safety limit) - (CO2 emission standards) + (Driver Grin factor) = Engine specs

Imagine if LTA one day decides to charge by the engine's hp instead.....

Hi bros,

This is an old article but it touches on the "gentleman's" agreement back then.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 413pl.html

Wow, a brilliant insight of what really happened. Which leaves another question....why does Mitsubishi still stick to the lower end of it's engine capabilities despite the abolishment of the gentlemen's agreement years ago? Like that the thread starter's Evo 9 sure lose to the BMW 335 leh.....